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but all of the other tax changes would be for next year's taxes, not this year's taxes. so you don't see that immediate impact. and then the stupid across-the-board cuts, congress should revisit that. we could find reductions of $100 billion that aren't across the board where you cut things that are useful and working well as much as things that are losers and go away. >> so under your theory and that of several ores, there's not as you referred to an economic calamity. but you and i both know for example wall street. we keep hearing these business leaders and so many others are nervous and we could see an immediate reaction there if some type of deal is not reached before january 1st. >> sure. the millionaires and billionaires, they've got a sweet deal now. they will make a lot of noise to say, raise my tax rates and i'll stop investing. of course, these are the same people who spent $400 million, $500 million to get a president hired that would cut their taxes. >> it would certainly affect it if the white house is saying you'll go off this cliff. you're looking at them
but all of the other tax changes would be for next year's taxes, not this year's taxes. so you don't see that immediate impact. and then the stupid across-the-board cuts, congress should revisit that. we could find reductions of $100 billion that aren't across the board where you cut things that are useful and working well as much as things that are losers and go away. >> so under your theory and that of several ores, there's not as you referred to an economic calamity. but you and i both...
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the atm tax is going to get a patch. we know we're going to see benefits given to our -- unemployment benefits given and veteran benefits gimp. it seems like this year we have a nice new fun name. i know you hate it steesh, but the fiscal cliff. we put that scary name on it as if that's going to motivate our elected officials. all i see is a press release them saying they're going to fight for us and until the end of the day they're not going to do anything until we see a nice countdown clock. >> as per zblushl but the republicans need that clock more than the democrats do, don't they? >> they do. the fact is we need to find a path way to yes and i think the sooner we do it the better it is politically to move off. >> yeah. no. i mean i was just going to say, republicans -- the problem here for republicans is they're trying to get off this 22-year rae fusal to raise taxes, and think to cut any kind of a deal, they almost -- even if the deal -- the parameters are in place they have to go to the very edge. we held out as l
the atm tax is going to get a patch. we know we're going to see benefits given to our -- unemployment benefits given and veteran benefits gimp. it seems like this year we have a nice new fun name. i know you hate it steesh, but the fiscal cliff. we put that scary name on it as if that's going to motivate our elected officials. all i see is a press release them saying they're going to fight for us and until the end of the day they're not going to do anything until we see a nice countdown clock....
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should taxes go up. the discussion is how do you do it? >> exactly. and, listen, i think that to the extent we are just talking right now, i don't think that talking hurts. but should this become -- should this come in play, little there will be a lot of people on the left who will not be very happy. i think in some ways it is apples and oranges. i think what you're hearing is we will do this, however, you need to do the separate thing over there. i don't think social security has anything to do with it. >> let's talk raw numbers here. at the end of the day you have to find 218 house members. and in the past john boehner has said and, oh, by the way, his election is after the fiscal cliff. that happens a couple days after the fiscal cliff. so all of this maneuvering is complicated. to get to 218 he has said he wants a majority of the majority, which is approximately 120 republicans, so then you have to find some nearly 100 democrats to do this as well, and if that has social security and medicare in it,
should taxes go up. the discussion is how do you do it? >> exactly. and, listen, i think that to the extent we are just talking right now, i don't think that talking hurts. but should this become -- should this come in play, little there will be a lot of people on the left who will not be very happy. i think in some ways it is apples and oranges. i think what you're hearing is we will do this, however, you need to do the separate thing over there. i don't think social security has...
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grover norquist's tax pledge could be history. and all eyes are now focusing on house republicans as talks to avoid going over that so-called fiscal cliff are picking up steam. joining me now, mark halperin, senior political analyst for "time" and msnbc and ruth marcus, columnist and editorial writer for the "washington post." to you, mark, what is your read about what we've been hearing the last couple of days about grover norquist, the pledge and how much running room the speaker does have to b negotiating a deal. >> i did a spit take with my fruity pebbles watching "morning joe" because eric cantor's tone was unlike anything i've ever heard. his office is saying oh, no, he's against raising marginal rates, but it's clear that in the scheme of things, the biggest piece is does john boehner have enough running room to strike a deal involving some new revenue. i still am of the belief that the vote in the house, which will be a cliff hanger no matter what happens amongst the leaders in the white house, it will be a tough vote. i t
grover norquist's tax pledge could be history. and all eyes are now focusing on house republicans as talks to avoid going over that so-called fiscal cliff are picking up steam. joining me now, mark halperin, senior political analyst for "time" and msnbc and ruth marcus, columnist and editorial writer for the "washington post." to you, mark, what is your read about what we've been hearing the last couple of days about grover norquist, the pledge and how much running room the...
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take the alternative minimum tax. if the inflation index isn't advanced for that and i believe republicans and democrats want to do it, 23 million middle class americans will have a 2,000 to 3,000 dollars tax increase on that alone. >> let me interrupt you for a second. i was making this point a little earlier when you start talking about these financial things, you know, the i don't want so say minutia but the more specifics of the negotiations and what the numbers mean and the two different sides will tell you that the numbers are different, it is kind of hard for the average person on who doesn't have an mba to figure out what's going on here. >>> john mccain is suggesting the republican party should focus on bigger issues and leave abortion alone. during an interview yesterday the senator said while he is proud of his pro-life position, there are bigger things to worry about like the economy and national security. police are admitting they missed a potentially key piece of evidence in the casey anthony murder inve
take the alternative minimum tax. if the inflation index isn't advanced for that and i believe republicans and democrats want to do it, 23 million middle class americans will have a 2,000 to 3,000 dollars tax increase on that alone. >> let me interrupt you for a second. i was making this point a little earlier when you start talking about these financial things, you know, the i don't want so say minutia but the more specifics of the negotiations and what the numbers mean and the two...
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gains tax rate. you know what all of it is? all of it is about can they govern? can they govern? can we be governed? can the people in washington, d.c., in the house and the senate and the president, can they govern? >> they have to. >> well, they have to. they absolutely have to. >> just to make a point for those who thought that the health care reform law was historic, many people -- i actually assume that most of the five people at this table think that it's a shocking thing that america is the most powerful country on earth before the health care law was passed, had a massive number of many, many millions of uninsured people in the country when every other industrialized country has universal coverage. >> right. we do all agree with that, right? >> one of the more historic things, it's going to move millions of uninsured people into the ranks of the civilized world. >> and as the president promised, also not only is he going to put 30 million people on the rolls for health care, it's also going t
gains tax rate. you know what all of it is? all of it is about can they govern? can they govern? can we be governed? can the people in washington, d.c., in the house and the senate and the president, can they govern? >> they have to. >> well, they have to. they absolutely have to. >> just to make a point for those who thought that the health care reform law was historic, many people -- i actually assume that most of the five people at this table think that it's a shocking...